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Hi Simran & Others,<br>
Please accept my apologies as my intention was certainly NOT to come
across in an arrogant manner, but the complete opposite. For those
people who do know me better, know that being arrogant is not part
of my personality nor do I ever want it to be. I will openly admit
that using a clause like "utter disgust" may have been to brash
& have shown little tact, but I had trouble in thinking of what
other wording could have been used in the instance. When these
situations arise I am known to be rather direct with my wording,
please realise that none of it was aimed at any individual or as a
personal attack on anyone in our group. If you read past this and
into the message you will see that I am trying to make some valid
points and also trying to contribute something further so that any
future versions of AOSD can be improved for the better of everyone
who wants to use and participate in it.<br>
<br>
So far I've also read a reply from Jack Burton, and thanks Jack for
making some other points that I might have not thought of in my
email.<br>
<br>
Thanks for raising this.<br>
<br>
Warmest Regards,<br>
Grant<br>
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<div>Hi Grant, </div>
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<div>Although i have no doubt you meant the email as a
productive source of information; it comes across as
nothing but arrogant! </div>
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<div>How are "we" who haven't contributed to the
organisation, but just been recipients of the benefits
(invisible and visible; direct and indirect) qualified
in any way to proclaim from our high horses what the
boards should and shouldn't do… rather than mention that
the next board should read your email because of your
enlightened views in areas you have obviously made no
contribution in (or if you have; your email certainly
did not indicate so). </div>
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<div>I realise the irony and arrogance of my email; but we
diminish the value of the work that is being done by
volunteers (board and otherwise) by doing nothing but
complaining, so wanted to call it out; even though it
very much puts me squarely in the arrogant basket
myself!</div>
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<div>Periodical publications are great, events are great,
more FOSS is great… but until we contribute, we really
are in a place only to politely suggest… voicing our
"utter disgust" at things is utterly disgusting when we
have done nothing to contribute. </div>
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<div>Oh! The Irony (speaking about what i'm doing via this
email of course)… it hurts :) </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 12:42 PM, GPCS
- Grant Petch <span dir="ltr"> <a
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<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>Now I think its time for me to have my 2c worth about
OSIA.. Please </p>
<p>note that this is not aimed at our current temporary
board of directors </p>
<p>who are doing a great job under very difficult
circumstances, but is </p>
<p>more of an overview and some generalisations. It
would be good for this </p>
<p>email to be handed to the new incoming board to look
at in the not so </p>
<p>distant future.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Firstly; I'm going to voice my utter disgust at the
AOSD (Australian </p>
<p>Open Source Directory), before I continue on
personally I think such a </p>
<p>concept is a great idea, but has been executed very
poorly & doesn't </p>
<p>seem to function like I think it should. The whole
site looks like </p>
<p>something from the early 1990's which has been
designed by some high </p>
<p>school programmer wanna be, to be honest I've met
better student </p>
<p>programmers when I was in TAFE back in the early
2000's! Come on really </p>
<p>we need to get out act together here as the whole
thing doesn't look </p>
<p>that professional. It has useless blank entries,
little to no ability </p>
<p>to search on specific criteria that some potential
clients would need to </p>
<p>be doing, difficult in general to navigate around,
and even I couldn't </p>
<p>sign my own business up to it as a current financial
OSIA member? I'm </p>
<p>sure that some of you out there could find some more
issues on it that </p>
<p>need to be addressed sooner than later.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Secondly; on the issue of membership value I've
noticed this dwindle </p>
<p>quite sharply in more recent years. I initially
joined OSIA in its more </p>
<p>active and prime back around 2006, or somewhere
around this point in </p>
<p>time. Around this point in time I personally felt
that there was a much </p>
<p>better level of member engagement, with a more wider
showcase of </p>
<p>activities for members to be involved with and
actively participate in. </p>
<p>Late last year I read an email on this list that
Aimee-Marie posted and </p>
<p>she did raise a few good points around this area of
membership value, </p>
<p>and would like to thank her for taking the time out
to do so in her busy </p>
<p>schedule.</p>
<p>Yes, noted that there is the need to lobby
governments & don't get me </p>
<p>wrong its fantastic that we have some members who are
very passionate </p>
<p>about this, but don't feel that OSIA should just
solely be focusing in </p>
<p>this area. I'm sure that there are other members who
would like to be </p>
<p>engaging and being passionate about other areas of
the Open Source </p>
<p>Industry. Over the years there have been some great
member events with </p>
<p>some very thought provoking guest speakers, which
have also provided </p>
<p>members with an effective way to network with each
other - and these </p>
<p>events have been held in other states other than the
eastern states. It </p>
<p>would be good to see some of these events return
& be held in various </p>
<p>states around the country. I also recall a few years
after I joined </p>
<p>that OSIA had presence at some IT trade shows one of
them being CeBit. </p>
<p>I do realise that this take time, money & effort
but is a good way for </p>
<p>our organisation to be in the public eye along with
also letter other </p>
<p>industry people know of our existence, and a way of
trying to recruit </p>
<p>new members. Can we maybe try doing something like
this again in the future?</p>
<p>Perhaps could we also consider running some sort of
low key seminars / </p>
<p>workshops that our membership could benefit from
being involved with </p>
<p>doing. Obviously keeping them low key would also be
a good way of </p>
<p>keeping costs to a much more reasonable level.</p>
<p>In some other IT organisations that I've been a
member of in past years </p>
<p>they have produced some form of periodical
publication which members </p>
<p>felt that they had something in their hand of which
their annual </p>
<p>membership fees were being put to good use, and they
were getting a </p>
<p>little something back for their membership. I can't
recall OSIA having </p>
<p>anything of this nature since I've been a member -
but I do stand to be </p>
<p>corrected if I'm wrong in this instance. I do recall
OSIA publishing </p>
<p>some case studies back a few years ago which was a
good step in the </p>
<p>right direction, but nothing more seemed to come out
from this. I do </p>
<p>know that such publications aren't that cheap to
produce, so I wouldn't </p>
<p>be championing a monthly publication here, but what
about considering </p>
<p>either quarterly (4 issues per year), half yearly (2
issues per year), </p>
<p>or produce something a little larger in volume for
something annual?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Anyway just some food for thought. I would like to
hear some of your </p>
<p>thoughts, comments, ideas, suggestions around this
from our membership, </p>
<p>and past leadership of OSIA.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Warmest Regards,</p>
<p>Grant Petch</p>
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